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Covid-19 and the UIF - ridiculous

Sometimes government policies absolutely boggle the mind.  One that has recently come to my attention is the situation with the Unemployment Insurance Fund (UIF) and compensation for workers during the shutdown.  The law makes it clear that employers do not have to pay workers during this time and can deal with it in a variety of ways.  The Government however has said that it is going to assist workers, like governments do around the world.

That assistance though comes in the form of UIF payments that require the employer to agree to all sorts of onerous terms affecting the employer only - so that staff can get help via the UIF.   I wonder what sense this makes to government?  The employer is not getting a cent out of the UIF and it is only the employee who is benefiting, so why should the employer then tie themselves to a whole lot of onerous conditions?  It might make sense if the employer was legally obliged during this time to pay and needed the assistance of the UIF, but the employer is not.  In other words, for the man in the street to get some benefit from the UIF the employer - who is getting no benefits at all - has to agree to a whole lot of strict conditions imposed by the government so that their employee can actually get some benefits.  Or, the employer can choose not to agree to any of the strict requirements and simply allow the employee to go unpaid during this time!  Any employer who is sensibly advised by lawyers is going to decline the “benefits” from the UIF and if need be, allow the employees to go unpaid.  Why it is that the government has thought, in order for an employee to benefit, that the employer has to assume all sorts of onerous conditions is something that only they know?  Perhaps one could be cynical and say that they did give quite a bit of thought to it and decided that they did not want to pay out too much and so made benefits available only on conditions that they know that most employers would never accept.  The ANC can then claim that they have made provision for people to get support during this time and they can rest assured that not much will be claimed from the UIF because the conditions they have made are such that no sensible employer will actually take them up.

I think it is a tragedy because if the UIF is not going to pay out at a time like this, then when will it?  Other countries around the world imposed terms on businesses when the business is getting financial support.  They don’t impose terms on the business when it is the employees that are getting the support and of course in successful economies in most cases it is the government who is now picking up the salaries of the employees and not the companies.  It is not wonder that so few international companies want to set up shop in South Africa and as a result we have one of the highest unemployment rates in the world and will continue to do so until we start getting our labour policies and approach right.  Unfortunately, the ANC’s form of socialism has not worked anywhere in the world and our approximately 30% unemployment rate is a clear sign of that. 

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Daniella  said:
on Tuesday 12-May-20 07:12 AM
I can only imagine how long the UIF is going to take to pay out if they are even paying out. Using the UIF is smart however its not being implemented properly.

cornelie  said:
on Monday 11-May-20 10:20 AM
I wonder how long it will take now for the UIF to pay out in this lockdown in a normal day before COVID it took them months to a person, not only does a whole lot of people are sitting without jobs they will wait another how many months to get the little UIF. Also it is not fair on the employer to get any payment they also feel the crunch no work no pay.

Ziyanda  said:
on Monday 11-May-20 09:16 AM
I think it is a good idea but the implementation was just poor. I have also seen on social media people complaining that they have been deductions for UIF on their payslips but apparently they are not registered. This is really sad.

Angelique  said:
on Friday 08-May-20 09:07 AM
Quite a touchy subject. I would like to know the companies who claimed - what was imposed on them? Is there even money to give out? The unemployment rate has now sky rocketed. some people are realizing that their companies have been deducting UIF but not been paying to the UIF so they cannot claim. What a scandal.

Bianca Taljaard  said:
on Friday 08-May-20 08:28 AM
I think it was a really good idea to implement the UIF scheme, but how is it going to be managed? and where does the money come from, whos pension was taken to do this.

Zandelee  said:
on Thursday 07-May-20 09:54 PM
The UIF is a state institution and just about all state run institutions are failing.
The Government would rather let thousand of businesses close their doors than actually doing the right thing due to corruption ect. However the man on the street only hears these empty promises while being unaware of these conditions set by the Government.

Bronwyn  said:
on Thursday 07-May-20 01:17 PM
using the UIF fund is a smart idea but how they are running it is a different story,I have heard of may who are still awaiting payment from the UIF and this was them handing in all necessary documents to get the claim process going.

Prishani  said:
on Thursday 07-May-20 11:58 AM
I think we have to be patient and I think every organisation is facing a lot of changes and challenges- the sad part is that the UIF will be receiving a lot more cases and they weren't even coping with what they previously had!

Patrick Sedutla.  said:
on Thursday 07-May-20 10:59 AM
This is another good idea with has been implemented badly. The system is one sided and it would have been easy if the government allow the employees to do it on line.

Clare  said:
on Thursday 07-May-20 07:56 AM
My thoughts on this to tell you the Truth is this is just another way the Government is trying to keep in the Voters Eye, people are just gonna be blinded by words of Money but in actual fact you will they don't care. Look at how long they take to payout, the people will most likely get the money when we all return to work and Convid 19 will be the thing of the past.

Jessica  said:
on Wednesday 06-May-20 05:21 PM
I think this whole UIF and all this "money" South Africa has is a load of false promises to try calm the country down. I wouldn't be surprised to hear from the people who tried to claim UIF that they weren't even successful or that it was next to nothing and all the other problems.

Angelique  said:
on Wednesday 06-May-20 04:49 PM
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brumilde  said:
on Wednesday 06-May-20 03:23 PM
The sad thing is, they made a huge mistake the other day. Its sad to see the system go down, even with all the minds and people in high power just trying to help

Natasha  said:
on Wednesday 06-May-20 03:21 PM
We can be so glad that we don't have to go through that and that we can still work and get paid.Before the Lockdown they unemployment rate was already high and now its 10 times worse I dont know what we are going to do when all of this is over its scary.

Tamaryn  said:
on Tuesday 05-May-20 12:55 PM
I do think that they have made the process as difficult and onerous as possible to avoid having too many claims. I heard the minister on the radio yesterday saying that the UIF has so many more claims now that people are not queueing outside their offices, becoming frustrated and giving up. I could not believe what I was hearing.

Kendall  said:
on Wednesday 29-Apr-20 04:00 PM
It is going to be a challenge for people to successfully claim from the UIF, especially with the drastic increase in persons trying to claim. Everybody who has been able to continue working during the lockdown period and receive their full salary should be extremely grateful.

Chante  said:
on Wednesday 29-Apr-20 02:48 PM
As part of its response to the Covid-19 pandemic, the Department of Labour has issued a directive for relief to be provided to contributors who have lost income or required to take annual leave as a result of the Coronavirus breakout. But even with this directive in place it still has not made it any easier for employees to claim from the UIF as it is a risk to the employers.

Jolene   said:
on Wednesday 29-Apr-20 11:23 AM
This just reminds me how grateful we should be that we are still able to work and to earn an income during this time. Our unemployment rate will increase drastically during this time.

Brenda Strydom   said:
on Wednesday 29-Apr-20 09:32 AM
I must say many South Africans is going to the UIF Office to claim money from them but its sad to see that not everyone is getting help from the UIF They are struggling financially.

Shristi  said:
on Wednesday 29-Apr-20 09:07 AM
I think many South Africans will turn to this as a last resort. The government struggles to pay grants etc so imagine how long they would take to pay this out especially this being new..

Zindy  said:
on Wednesday 29-Apr-20 08:59 AM
I don't know how the UIF is coping trying to manage payments during the lockdown with so many people putting claims in when they are not even able to make payments on a normal day. I think this is just going to be an overload of problems to come.

Nicolle  said:
on Wednesday 29-Apr-20 08:17 AM
The relationship is between the UIF and the employee. Dragging the employer into it will just complicate matters and make the whole process inefficient.

sandra  said:
on Tuesday 28-Apr-20 07:37 AM
I think it is due to a lack of proper administration and also, the economic downturn. They are struggling financially and so therefore, it will be harder to pay out.

Roxanne  said:
on Tuesday 28-Apr-20 03:45 AM
I think the UIF benefit would be good, however it is not run properly and if they do pay out, the people will get it a week before they go back to work

Kathryn  said:
on Friday 24-Apr-20 01:53 PM
I agree with Patrick, on paper, this policy sounds good but poorly implemented.

Claudia B  said:
on Friday 24-Apr-20 01:52 PM
It really is sad that some people cant claim from the UIF,I think that desperation will most definitely kick in at some point and that's going to be chaos. It's really heart-breaking to see this happen.

Melissa  said:
on Friday 24-Apr-20 11:25 AM
It is difficult to not earn any income during this time. We can be so grateful to be able to work from home and still earn an income. I feel so sorry for the people that lost their jobs due to this pandemic and it is not always easy to claim from the UIF

Dasanya  said:
on Friday 24-Apr-20 09:22 AM
It is sad to see and hear about the difficulties faced by most employees not earning an income during this time and when you hear about food packs being stolen in this time of need, it leave little hope for those who are in desperate need of this help. It also doesn't make sense for employers to have to agree such onerous conditions when they are not benefiting in any way. We can only hope that the Solidarity Fund will help alleviate the burden placed on the UIF in some way.

Ashleigh  said:
on Friday 24-Apr-20 07:36 AM
I haven't heard great news about the UIF department. Many people have been struggling with them which is now leading to starvation and looting of trucks. Desperation is going to kick in and cause chaos.

Courtney  said:
on Thursday 23-Apr-20 11:14 AM
I just wish this hole thing can get a cure and everything back to normal. I feel sorry for people who cant claim from the UIF, infact I feel sorry for everyone and I wish I could help people out of this mess.

Michelle D  said:
on Thursday 23-Apr-20 08:10 AM
I know that small businesses can apply for funding from the Solidarity Fund which as far as I can tell is going alright so far. I am not privy to the conditions imposed by the UIF at the moment but I think for a lot of employers there is not really an option. Especially if you run a small company and your cleaning staff, for example, are living hand to mouth. I don't see that there's really an option there.

Joyce  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 06:24 PM
It seems like Covid 19 attack brought a huge confusion in decisions making to some countries governments they did not get enough chance for deep thoughts before making decisions to curve this disastrous virus. I think SA was one of the countries which did not meet the requirements of a national lockdown but was done trying to save lives. Let’s hope a lesson is learnt for the future.

Alexis  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 03:28 PM
What baffles me is that we are suppose to do the whole social distancing thing...the only way one can successfully get paid is to go to the Labor Dept yourself - and we all know the confined and overcrowded spaces that you are succumbed to.

The Government has now been shown what the state of this country is really in and we can only hope that something will be done about it.

Chante  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 02:38 PM
I've seen so many videos these past few weeks of people desperate for food, it's heartbreaking that so many South Africans are suffering due to the fact that proper provision for income to those who pay UIF was not made. We truly are luckier than most to be able to be earning an income from home at this time.

patrick  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 11:41 AM
I have said it before that red tape in our government is hampering a lot of progress. This is another example of a good policy implemented badly.

Lucretia  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 10:55 AM
I, personally, the government has deliberately done this and made UIF difficult to claim because there is NO money in their coffers. This money has been spent already and now that the time has come for the government to pay the UIF of all those employees who have been paying UIF whilst working there is no money to do this. The government does not want the public to know that there is no money and, therefore, make it difficult for the employers so that the employers can be blamed and not the government. This would kill their numbers at the poling stations...........am i right, we will never know.

Lourien  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 10:12 AM

I believe any employer that has read through the terms and conditions will not apply for the 'special grants" that has been set out. The only way that employees will be able to claim directly from the UIF is when the employer temporary terminate their employment for the lockdown period which will show that these employees are now unemployed. Why do we need to go to such drastic extents ?

Megan  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 09:40 AM
Applications could not be processed due to errors and the affected companies have been notified to correct their applications and resubmit. Some of the errors identified relate to incorrect banking details, making it impossible for payments to be processed. Excuses for not paying people their money? If you are able to receive an income by working from home, obviously one shouldn't apply, I wonder how thorough this process is... Are people lying about not receiving an income and now receiving twice as much, are they being checked or how would that work?

Danielle  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 09:34 AM
I think the UIF will be the absolute last resort for a South African citizen.
Getting your money from the government institution is such a mission and run around.
the amount of time it takes just to get some money is really crazy.

Henrietta  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 09:07 AM
UIF is absolutely one of the most horrible government institutes in South Africa. The amount of months one wait to get UIF when on maternity is disgusting. Some even return to work and still doesn't have their UIF paid out. So how long would a million employees wait for financial relief from UIF in this time of need never mind the condition that they asking employers to accept, which I did not know about. I am flabbergasted how this country of us work. Its their choice to lock-down yet we are the ones who ultimately sacrifice the most.

Mathilda  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 08:26 AM
The president did not really explain in debt where this R500bn is going?
He is giving an extra R250 for the people already receiving grands and then from next month a further R500?
So basically, the people that have not been working are the only once receiving relief?
As the government makes it so difficult for people that are working to receive their UIF that they have been paying religiously every month.
Now they are looking at correcting all the hunger and the homelessness that was there before COVID-19 hit, this is a good thing but if this was sorted before COVID-19 the money could have been now utilised much more effectively.
There are a few of my friends in America that received a stimulus package in the amount of $1200 and they say everyone received it to give some relief during this time.
Where are the stimulus packages for South Africans?
I can tell you exactly where it is going and that is in the pockets of our corrupt government.

Nicolene  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 08:03 AM
I didn't even claim from the UIF when I was on maternity leave as I knew it is going to be a mission. Sometimes people are lucky when they get money from the UIF within a week or two, I guess. People will wait much longer now to get their money from the UIF as there will be a lot of unemployed people with regards to this pandemic. We are fortunate to work from home and still earn a salary. There's a lot of companies that cannot afford to do this and there's nothing we can do about it.

Karien  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 07:59 AM
Our economy cannot deal with the pandemic in the same manner 1st world countries do. The R100bn of the R500bn allocated to "Save SA" will not be nearly enough to help the unemployed and those who have lost their jobs due to the pandemic.
A total economic reform will be needed to remedy the effect of this virus on our economy.

Nikita  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 07:53 AM
I saw video footage of people who were gathering outside the Sophia Town police station because of hunger and the need for food. Instead of getting help they were getting arrested. I understand that it goes against the social distancing rules but surely the government can see how desperate people are. The system needs to work at least for this period because like you say at the end of the day it is the employee that suffers!

Michelle Smillie  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 07:47 AM
I wonder though if this is not aimed at the employees whose employers have the funds, in small companies, where the employer uses company funds to renovates his home, fly up and down across South Africa for various holidays throughout the year and eat at 5-star hotels every weekend, but then claims he does not have the money to pay his staff. It is really sad that there are people like that out there, and I am very fortunate and grateful to not be in that situation.

Melissa van Tellingen   said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 07:13 AM
I believe that the unemployment rate in SA is way more than 30%. My experience claiming UIF during maternity leave wasn't bad at all. I submitted my documentation the one week and git pad the next. Bearing in mind that all your documents have to be ready and no errors must be made on the papers. I know that certain mothers go back to work after maternity leave and still didn't receive one payment as yet. I'm sure with so many people claiming during this time, it will be such a struggle. You have to submit everything online not knowing if it is received or not. I'm sure payment will also take longer. I agree that SA should be prepared for things like this but we knew that we were not going to be prepared in any event. I'm hoping that the government will follow through on all promises made during this difficult time for the people that lost their jobs.

david  said:
on Wednesday 22-Apr-20 07:07 AM
you nearly summed in up in the 1st sentence. you should have left out the word 'sometimes' at the beginning.

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